Now What

[Ramster]

Hand#211170E5EB000223 - Pokerworld-Home T7398891 -- Table 1 -- $40/$200/$400 NL Hold'em -- 2010/01/15 - 01:31:07
thejudge686 posts ante of 40
PWH_Tots_ posts ante of 40
cstewart79 posts ante of 40
mtgplayer posts ante of 40
3digetmiget posts ante of 40
59melrose posts ante of 40
TalkPkr2Me posts ante of 40
Ramster44 posts ante of 40
Loonzy posts ante of 40
Talk***4: posts small blind 200
Ramster44: posts big blind 400
Dealt to Ramster44 [9c,9d]
Loon***6: folds
thej***7: folds
PWH_***8: folds
cste***10: folds
mtgp***1: folds
3dig***2: raises to 1,760
59me***3: folds
Talk***4: folds
Ramster44: ???????????

I got about 4.2k behind
3dig about 13k

What would you have done and why

[tots]

Thats a tough one Ram.. I know from experience that miget can be an aggressive player, but that he can also catch players out by actually having a great hand too

Personally I think I'd have folded - I did fold a few pp's in the game tonight.. 33 for one, from early position - too many players to act after me who might have raised.

I'm a tight player though, so I'm sure that other would have either seen the flop or pushed back at him.

[spiersey]

I would of pushed all in, he is in mid to late position, the raise is only 4 x BB plus a bit extra for the ante.

You are pretty short and to me it smells of blind steal.

It is probably a flip against 2 big cards but you have to push its not worth a call. Folding is way too tight.

[Chumley01]

Would have to agree with spiersey... it's a little over 4 x BB however, it's only less than double the pot. Same thinking, probably a race but also a good possibility as it's a late raiser they have mid kicker 67 or 8 even with an ace and so only really drawing to aces for over card (yes, I also know how often that one over hits also )

In theory though, if they had A 6 or similar you pushing all in then dependent on level of player on A6 they should realise they are behind, either putting you on A with better kicker or a pocket pair, leaving them as an underdog.

So with the pot on 2.7k approx you push with your 4.2k would raise pot to 6.9k with 2.5k left to be called by 3dig, getting nearly 1/3 odds will most likely see a call everytime knowing he's behind and hoping for a little luck.

[Ramster]

Well i did push and got looked up by AQ and they hit the Q on the river
I dont blame them for calling and yes i also agree with Nick that any other play would have been the wrong play
Like you say Chum by the size of the bet it looked like a steal to me but with what i had left to put in the pot if they folded to my push it woulda been a bad play

The reason i posted this was due to a comment at the table that they thought 99 was too small a pair to be pushing with in that situation. I just wondered if anyone else thought pushing was the wrong move

[Chumley01]

not so much a wrong move as a choice..... the only real wrong move would have been 'call' it was always either all-in or fold and it just comes down to how you interpret the individual player up to that point. If they had only been playing tight/solid with premium hands all game then perhaps you could have folded, if they had been playing loose aggressive and, as you say, looks like a poss/probable steal then all-in.

As for any 'comments' then maybe they should realise that you were the one with an actual hand made and they were the ones hoping to hit (albeit a race). Having seen Gus pushing someone all in holding 22 v AK (ducks held)(there were also 'comments' by some lol) but if they simply miss their cards then it's yours it's that simple. Hence the term 'race'. Can't see the point in any comments, just shows their possible narrow mindedness.

Personally, I'd make a note on whoever made the comment, knowing that any raise by them in future games when you hold bigger pairs QQ KK etc you're most likely going to be paid off if you bet it correctly just pray they don't get lucky lol

[alan292]

i see you have allready revealed how you played it rammy.....i would have done exactly the same m8....there was allways the chance he would have folded too...ul on losing to the queen thou

[hayden1009]

I came to this thread late, but I also would have shoved. Its true he hit, but he was willing to put 1/3 of his chips on the table chasing 6 cards and given the blinds and the antes plus assuming your binds were do for an increase it means you were 3 loops or less left, and when you reach that state you not only have to pick a hand but have enough to get someone to hurt if they call and miss. I always add to my notes about someone who cannot lay down a hand. ul